faith like jazz part II

saxophoneMy previous post on faith like jazz sparked some interest and comments so I thought I’d keep fleshing this out. As the wise one Q says in Ecclesiastes. There is nothing new under the sun so it was exciting to see others working out this concept. Here’s what some other people are doing with the concept.


from blue like jazz



And jazz is this very real – free flowing music that is created as you go . . . Jazz is passionate, raw and honest – and as a musician playing jazz . . . you see the music as something to be explored – never knowing exactly what may be coming next – but confident that the music itself is a passageway to a treasure chest of even richer melodies, rhythms and harmonies . . .


A true jazz musician doesn’t think so much about what he’s playing . . . but he feels it first . . . in the very center of his being . . . and the music (the expression) flows out of that center – and true jazz is improvisational (often made up as you go) – each musician taking his cue from the musician before . . . and so creating the music together with one another . . . . . so jazz is this . . . amazing melody, that with each moment the song is played, – step by step – line by line . . . the music becomes more complete . . .


Here a quote from Juan Williams’ book  This Far by faith



It comes from an old gospel song and suggests the idea that faith has been essential to the African American religious experience in a unique way. For a variety of reasons, black Americans had to rely first and foremost on the notion of faith in God, that they had a personal relationship with God outside of any church. To me, the miracle of the African American Christian experience is the idea that the slave master introduces Christianity to the slave, but the slave reinterprets this faith and recasts it as a vehicle for liberation and social protest. You speak of black Christianity as being almost jazz-like in its expression. Jazz is an authentic American art form that includes elements of both African and white American musical traditions, but it was formed and given birth by black musicians. It’s a response to having been denied training in other classical forms of music, and having limited opportunities and places where black musicians could practice their craft. They created this new art form that gives them full expression, and it ended up being a gift to the world. I think of African American religion in the same way. You have people being denied opportunities, denied education in terms of being able to read and study the Bible, denied the ability to practice leadership in the white church, and so they create this authentic American entity called the black church. Despite the dehumanizing force of slavery and segregation, these men and women were fully


Over a the image journal forum was this quote from a post about faith and music



True faith is genuine freedom because you trust in Someone outside of yourself. Improvising is freedom within order where you trust that the rules of the music will take you somewhere as you use them creatively and wisely as a jazz artist.

Also, one must trust those engaged in the same musical adventure as musicians. There is the fragile interplay that comes from listening to each other in the moment, responding, pushing the envelope, and challenging each other to go beyond what is safe and comfortable, but together in unity.

Faith in Christ is like that. If we let him, he calls us to the new, the challenging and the freeing, but in unity with him.

Faith and jazz can learn from each other.


Chris Morris who is a pianist and Christian has a great example of improvisation on a theme based the hymn Holy Holy  It is released under the creative commons license so you can download for free and share as long as you attribute to the author.


Here’s quote from a sermon by Dean Angell at Lakewood Church



In fact the more you know about jazz and what it’s about – I believe the more you’ll be able to understand faith . . . because faith to . . . . . . is meant to be . . .


Free – Flowing – Passionate – Raw and Honest . . . something that is felt deeply to the center of who you are . . . and like jazz, God designed faith one step at a time – improvisational if you will


You can download the audio mp3 here or read the text here.


The jazz theologian has this to say about jazz and faith



Jazz and the African-American experience are not just about emergence but also convergence.

What would a jazz approach to theology look like? What about the current emergent church conversation…is emerging enough?


So maybe faith like jazz can redeem this conversation about faith and life we are in. Can faith like jazz help us shape a more dynamic, creative, expressive and inclusive expression of our historic faith?


If so here are some questions to ponder. What role does a pastor play? Band leader band member? Which standards do we all need to know? How do we use our “fake book” the Bible? What new songs will be composed?  What form will the group take?


what say you?

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About Andre Daley

Born in Jamaica educated there until I was fifteen. Moved to the US. Went to college at CCNY, married in 86' Seminary at Princeton, ministry on east coast til 1998 church planting in the midwest since, started mosaic life church in 2004
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6 Responses to faith like jazz part II

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  2. jazztheo says:

    thanks for taking the time out to visit my blog and then on top of that grant me a spot in your post. I like what you are doing and believe that there is alternative convergent conversation that needs to take place for the world in which we live…it’s jazz.

    your thinking is profound…i’ll be digging around your archives for a while!

  3. Andre says:

    I am indeed alive and well and back in the blogosphere.

  4. Green19 says:

    "Improvising is freedom within order where you trust that the rules of the music will take you somewhere as you use them creatively and wisely as a jazz artist."
     Hey Andre. This is a great quote and captures the essence of what I love about being a worship leader, as well as worshiping in everyday life.  Excellent!
     Mike

  5. Green19 says:

    If so here are some questions to ponder. What role does a pastor play? Band leader band member? Which standards do we all need to know? How do we use our “fake book” the Bible? What new songs will be composed?  What form will the group take?
    Those are excellent questions.  I’ve been trying to figure that out for a couple of years now at least as a band leader. So far I’ve developed a model for our music department that seems to be working fairly well.
    In short, I value team dynamic over and above individual performance. But, the product is only as good as the individual contributions if that makes sense.  We are a team of people, with differing personality types, thought processes, experiences, and musical expressions.  Some are type-A, rigid, structured and tend to like following a set pattern. Others are improvisational, flowing, and sensitive to changes in mood and tone.  Some are introverts, some extroverts. Some have incredible skill, others marginal.  As a leader then, my job is to encourage each expression to find their niche and contribute to the overall product.  We need the type-A’s structure to form a safety net so we can freely improv.  We need spontenaity so we can have a creative prophetic flow.  We need the excellence of the skilled and the raw essence of the marginal.  The key though is that everyone contributes his/her best in humility, prefering one another. Each person alone cannot be as effective as all working together.  And as long as we continue to see everyone as an a part of the interdependant whole, it seems to work.
    Too often band leaders do all the work and use musicians as ancillary to their ministry effort.  I believe that the opposite should be the norm.  Band leaders should take a back seat and encourage the members to contribute to the overall product. In doing so, the leader also assumes the role as pastor, friend, encourager, as well as creative guide.  He/she also gets to absorb the responsibility for the failure(s) of the team. :-)
    mike