Comments on: driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/ following jesus in a post religious world Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:27:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Maurice Broaddus Message Board - driscoll http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4545 Maurice Broaddus Message Board - driscoll Thu, 09 Nov 2006 23:40:13 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4545 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Maurice Broaddus Message Board :: General :: Spiritual Journeys :: driscoll [...] Maurice Broaddus Message Board :: General :: Spiritual Journeys :: driscoll

]]> By: Andre Daley http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4500 Andre Daley Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:29:44 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4500 <p>Billy,</p> <p>Based on Driscoll's comment about Padgitt and McLaren  in relationship to their view on homosexuality and this I find it hard to attribute wisdom to his comments.</p> <p>see James 3:13-14</p> <p>Andre </p> Billy,

Based on Driscoll’s comment about Padgitt and McLaren  in relationship to their view on homosexuality and this I find it hard to attribute wisdom to his comments.

see James 3:13-14

Andre 

]]> By: emergent | The Protestant Pub http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4448 emergent | The Protestant Pub Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:05:34 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4448 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame 4. November 2006 - 18:04 Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard... Categories: Emergent [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame 4. November 2006 – 18:04 Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard… Categories: Emergent [...]

]]> By: Technorati: "emerging church" | open source theology http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4439 Technorati: "emerging church" | open source theology Tue, 07 Nov 2006 05:41:37 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4439 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame Sun, 2006-11-05 01:04 Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard... [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame Sun, 2006-11-05 01:04 Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard… [...]

]]> By: Andrew http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4411 Andrew Mon, 06 Nov 2006 05:59:34 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4411 I can't say I agree with him - the man needs to take personal responsibility for what he does and where he puts his member.  I'd expect better of Driscoll than to try and sheet home the blame to someone else.  I make a rule that I don't comment on any woman's appearance but I saw a picture of Haggard's wife and thought the following:  1.  She looked as though she'd been to hell and back in the last 24 hours. 2.  You could hardly accuse her of "letting herself go". There is a kernel of truth in what he says - a wife that doesn't cherish her husband can push him closer to the wolves of temptation.  But then I wonder how many wives have had to play second fiddle's to the pastor's ambition and kingdom building and haven't been honoured as we're biblically exhorted as husbands to do? I can’t say I agree with him – the man needs to take personal responsibility for what he does and where he puts his member.  I’d expect better of Driscoll than to try and sheet home the blame to someone else.  I make a rule that I don’t comment on any woman’s appearance but I saw a picture of Haggard’s wife and thought the following:  1.  She looked as though she’d been to hell and back in the last 24 hours. 2.  You could hardly accuse her of "letting herself go". There is a kernel of truth in what he says – a wife that doesn’t cherish her husband can push him closer to the wolves of temptation.  But then I wonder how many wives have had to play second fiddle’s to the pastor’s ambition and kingdom building and haven’t been honoured as we’re biblically exhorted as husbands to do?

]]> By: Ben http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4407 Ben Mon, 06 Nov 2006 00:16:24 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4407 I did not take Driscoll's comment as insensitive.  It was not aimed at anyone in particular (Mrs. Haggard), as it was in a long list of several issues, but he was pointing out something that could very well be a problem in some marriages.  Sometimes I wish people would give HIM a break. I did not take Driscoll’s comment as insensitive.  It was not aimed at anyone in particular (Mrs. Haggard), as it was in a long list of several issues, but he was pointing out something that could very well be a problem in some marriages.  Sometimes I wish people would give HIM a break.

]]> By: Billy the Broadcaster http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4399 Billy the Broadcaster Sun, 05 Nov 2006 18:28:00 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4399 hey bro! be fair that is but ONE comment on what I thought was a very wise & helpful post hey bro! be fair that is but ONE comment on what I thought was a very wise & helpful post

]]> By: TallSkinnyKiwi: Haggard and the Hazzard of Hotels http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4392 TallSkinnyKiwi: Haggard and the Hazzard of Hotels Sun, 05 Nov 2006 12:03:55 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4392 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Since we are all talking about Ted Haggard [without cementing the accusations] and pastors with a little common sense are examining pot-holes and booby-traps in their own lives, I want to throw a little thought out into the blogosphere that might be of some help to traveling preachers, missionaries and executives. Not because i am perfect, but because i am aware of the constant struggle for purity and the increased pressure that travel adds to it. And I have been traveling for a few decades and have stayed at countless hotels so this thought has been brewing for a while. Mark Driscoll's advice for traveling ministers is good and I recommend reading it - although his comment on wives letting themselves go is as Emerging Mosaic points out, a little UNTIMELY [dang Mark, couldn't you wait a week before bringing Mrs Haggard into the equation??] and his advise on ALWAYS traveling with a partner or child is helpful in an idealist world but not really practical for those without a hefty budget or those who are road warriors for the Kingdom. I travel a third of my time. I work in lots of countries and cities and if i had to bring someone with me on every trip, my kids would never get educated and i would have to ask my supporters for a much bigger travel allowance. MUCH bigger. And raising funds from churches and individuals for my own ministry at its current lowly level is tough enough. And like Mark Driscoll, God has been gracious - neither myself nor my wife (who is traveling from Orgeon to Houston today) have ever slept with anyone else - ever. And you can just imagine the offers i get with my stunning good looks. OK - point taken . . . Most of the time I travel alone but i am careful where i stay. If i have a choice, I crash on a friends couch. In summer I bring my tent. I even crash on airport floors to save a few bucks and travel time. If i don't know anyone in a city, I usually stay at a youth hostel. Its really cheap and i stay in a room with 5 or more people. I have to sleep with my wallet and passport in my pocket or under my pillow but it keeps me away from hotels where i am all alone and where weird things happen. Heres the deal. Hotels can be treacherous places for people of God to stay at because of the spiritual residue from weird and dark things that have happened in that room. OK - some of you will think me loony here. And some of you don't believe in demons. But let me play it out. Technorati Tags: emerging church, ted haggard [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Since we are all talking about Ted Haggard [without cementing the accusations] and pastors with a little common sense are examining pot-holes and booby-traps in their own lives, I want to throw a little thought out into the blogosphere that might be of some help to traveling preachers, missionaries and executives. Not because i am perfect, but because i am aware of the constant struggle for purity and the increased pressure that travel adds to it. And I have been traveling for a few decades and have stayed at countless hotels so this thought has been brewing for a while. Mark Driscoll’s advice for traveling ministers is good and I recommend reading it – although his comment on wives letting themselves go is as Emerging Mosaic points out, a little UNTIMELY [dang Mark, couldn't you wait a week before bringing Mrs Haggard into the equation??] and his advise on ALWAYS traveling with a partner or child is helpful in an idealist world but not really practical for those without a hefty budget or those who are road warriors for the Kingdom. I travel a third of my time. I work in lots of countries and cities and if i had to bring someone with me on every trip, my kids would never get educated and i would have to ask my supporters for a much bigger travel allowance. MUCH bigger. And raising funds from churches and individuals for my own ministry at its current lowly level is tough enough. And like Mark Driscoll, God has been gracious – neither myself nor my wife (who is traveling from Orgeon to Houston today) have ever slept with anyone else – ever. And you can just imagine the offers i get with my stunning good looks. OK – point taken . . . Most of the time I travel alone but i am careful where i stay. If i have a choice, I crash on a friends couch. In summer I bring my tent. I even crash on airport floors to save a few bucks and travel time. If i don’t know anyone in a city, I usually stay at a youth hostel. Its really cheap and i stay in a room with 5 or more people. I have to sleep with my wallet and passport in my pocket or under my pillow but it keeps me away from hotels where i am all alone and where weird things happen. Heres the deal. Hotels can be treacherous places for people of God to stay at because of the spiritual residue from weird and dark things that have happened in that room. OK – some of you will think me loony here. And some of you don’t believe in demons. But let me play it out. Technorati Tags: emerging church, ted haggard [...]

]]> By: Andre Daley: driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame - News by PLAZOO - The News and Blog Search Engine http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4389 Andre Daley: driscoll’s take on haggard the wife’s to blame - News by PLAZOO - The News and Blog Search Engine Sun, 05 Nov 2006 10:11:30 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4389 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Date : Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:27:00 GMTSource : Emerging Church BlogsLink : http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/ Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard does this stuff is their wives “let themselves go” here’s a quote. Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either. I’m beginning to think that either Driscoll has lost the capacity to think before he talks or he thinks he is so golden that he can say stuff like this without impunity. Read the entire post for yourself here another take at huffington post Technorati : , Del.icio.us : , © Andre Daley for emerging mosaic, 2006. | Permalink | No comment Add to del.icio.us Search blogs linking this post with Technorati Want more on these topics ? Browse the archive of posts filed under emerging church, in the news, conversations. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] Date : Sun, 05 Nov 2006 04:27:00 GMTSource : Emerging Church BlogsLink : http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/ Mark driscoll is at it again. This time pontificating on the recent scandal around ted haggard, he suggests that one of the reasons poele like haggard does this stuff is their wives “let themselves go” here’s a quote. Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either. I’m beginning to think that either Driscoll has lost the capacity to think before he talks or he thinks he is so golden that he can say stuff like this without impunity. Read the entire post for yourself here another take at huffington post Technorati : , Del.icio.us : , © Andre Daley for emerging mosaic, 2006. | Permalink | No comment Add to del.icio.us Search blogs linking this post with Technorati Want more on these topics ? Browse the archive of posts filed under emerging church, in the news, conversations. [...]

]]> By: Rob http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-4386 Rob Sun, 05 Nov 2006 08:42:12 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/2006/11/04/driscolls-take-on-haggard-the-wifes-to-blame/#comment-4386 Are you kidding me? Comments like this can only serve to make things worse. Driscoll should read the James ch. 3 and figure out how to tame his own tongue. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=66&chapter=3&version=31&context=chapter">James 3</a> Are you kidding me? Comments like this can only serve to make things worse. Driscoll should read the James ch. 3 and figure out how to tame his own tongue. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=66&chapter=3&version=31&context=chapter">James 3</a>

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