Comments on: why race still matters! yet again – updated

By: Dennis

Dennis — Sat, 09 Dec 2006 05:58:09 +0000

Thanks for the good post. Race needs to be discussed more and is one of the biggest reasons why the emerging church is lacking in depth in this matter. There's a pastor here in Seattle named Eugene Cho who is making some waves through his church. You can read some posts on his blog at: http://eugenecho.wordpress.com/2006/09/13/faith-race-being-an-asian-american/ http://eugenecho.wordpress.com/2006/10/20/i-dont-dislike-white-people/ http://eugenecho.wordpress.com/2006/10/23/race-racism-racialization/ thought it would be worth sharing.

By: jazztheologian

jazztheologian — Mon, 04 Dec 2006 22:58:54 +0000

Thanks for bringing this up. For a while, it didn’t even register with me. You hear about something long enough and you become numb to it. Race is a major ( if not the major) issue that the church must confront and redeem or lose credibility. Yet, if history shows us anything, it will be those of us with darker hues who will have to carry the torch for reconciliation. stay in the groove, jt

By: Andre Daley

Andre Daley — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:22:13 +0000

Rich,

I'm feeling ya it doesn't make sense to me either. That is why I'm working on a post titled beyond ontological emergence-being emergent is not enough! Stay tuned

By: Rich

Rich — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:24:55 +0000

I’ve been talking about this over at my blog, even quoted you! I have the same concerns. Not only does it bug me that so many brothers have downplayed it, but it is also very inconsistent for emerging church types to NOT want to engage culture on this issue.

By: MTR

MTR — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:12:46 +0000

Forgiveness and "explaining it away" are two different things. I’m not trying to explain it away. Richards has some serious issues he needs to face. What I am saying is that if he apologizes we have to accepted. As Jesus was crucified he pleaded, "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." He said this of those who tortured him. I’m not sure there’s a better example than that. Please don’t take this as condoning racism. It’s not. But racism, like any sin, is forgivable. Am I wrong?

By: M. Chase Whittemore

M. Chase Whittemore — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:22:31 +0000

Why Race Still Matters: A Response…

Ran across an interesting post today titled: why race still matters!

Here is what I found interesting:

“Why do people who follow Christ try to explain away this sinful behavior that is so prevalent in America? Are we afraid to admit our own prej…

By: Andre Daley

Andre Daley — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:54:35 +0000

Steve, John,

Your thought and response are much appreciated. I ask you to not feel guilty or apologize on this matter. Instead let us pray and work together that God's kingdom would come on earth as it is in heaven.

This is as much a spiritual problem as it is a socio-political and emotional one. My dream is that we can work and pray as one body for the end of this sin in our church if not in our world. Thanks again my brothers

By: Andre Daley

Andre Daley — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:49:33 +0000

FTM,

You are right where sin abounds grace abounds even more. But grace as I see practiced by Jesus is forgiveness and accountability. "Go and sin no more" John 8:11.

This forgiveness thing has been used for too long to suggest we should just forget about tit nd not hold each other and those in our world accountable for behavior in spite of or maybe because of forgiveness.

I think this is why both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson said to Richards you need to go do some work (signs of repentance) illustrate that you truly understand the depths to which African Americans needs to go to forgive you for something like this before you an really experience the impact of their forgiveness.

If I had not forgiven by brothers in Christ on this I would not call them my brothers. But because I have extended forgiveness, I will also continue to insist that we hold each other accountable for how we live together and behave as a part of the body of Christ. I hope you can understand that is that doesn't happen then my forgiveness is only superficial. I've just been reading Bonhoeffer's Life Together where he talks about this kind of superfical connections being the death of hte church.

By: Maurice Broaddus Message Board - But My Best Friend is Black

Maurice Broaddus Message Board - But My Best Friend is Black — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:27:15 +0000

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By: FTM

FTM — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:31:04 +0000

One more thought: If you can’t forgive you don’t hurt the person who hurt you, you only hurt yourself. Sin is between the subject and God, not you and the subject.

Sorry if I sound a little surly here, but I can’t think of another way of putting it. To be clear, I struggle with forgiveness myself, so I hope not to sound “holier than thou.” I’m not.