Comments on: alan hirsch in grand rapids http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2008/09/10/alan-hirsch-in-grand-rapids/ following jesus in a post religious world Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:27:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Andre Daley http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2008/09/10/alan-hirsch-in-grand-rapids/comment-page-1/#comment-23544 Andre Daley Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:14:54 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/?p=823#comment-23544 Edgar, This is my experience also.  It is the reason why I no longer see myself as emergent but as a member of the emerging missional church. Having said that I do think  Hirsch is raising the right questions for the church. It is just not the whole picture. Many of those who read his stuff see this as the whole picture and in  a manner similar to the missionaries of old want to force feed this to those outside the anglo conversation. There are a couple of people like Anthony Smith and Melvin Bray who have found some quarter in the emergent conversation. You may want to explore their experience. It certainly has been different from mine. Edgar,
This is my experience also.  It is the reason why I no longer see myself as emergent but as a member of the emerging missional church.

Having said that I do think  Hirsch is raising the right questions for the church. It is just not the whole picture. Many of those who read his stuff see this as the whole picture and in  a manner similar to the missionaries of old want to force feed this to those outside the anglo conversation.

There are a couple of people like Anthony Smith and Melvin Bray who have found some quarter in the emergent conversation. You may want to explore their experience. It certainly has been different from mine.

]]> By: Edgar Cabello http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2008/09/10/alan-hirsch-in-grand-rapids/comment-page-1/#comment-23543 Edgar Cabello Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:02:48 +0000 http://www.emergingmosaic.com/?p=823#comment-23543 Your question seems to be the show stopper in the emerging church discussion. I have asked similar questions in various forums and come away disappointed. Few people of color are "listened-to" voices on the circuit. I feel as if the anglo church gets amused by the nuances of ethnic (black, hispanic, etc...) church but quickly avoid the urban issues of color, the underclass, and a failing educational system. Not throwing rocks at Alan Hirsch as I so appreciate his perspective and insight, but there is a whole different conversation around this topic in the city setting. Your question seems to be the show stopper in the emerging church discussion. I have asked similar questions in various forums and come away disappointed. Few people of color are “listened-to” voices on the circuit. I feel as if the anglo church gets amused by the nuances of ethnic (black, hispanic, etc…) church but quickly avoid the urban issues of color, the underclass, and a failing educational system. Not throwing rocks at Alan Hirsch as I so appreciate his perspective and insight, but there is a whole different conversation around this topic in the city setting.

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