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		<title>My Struggle with New Monasticism God&#8217;s Politics Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andre Daley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[God&#8217;s Politics: A Blog by Jim Wallis &#38; Friends. Here is a great blog addressing some of the issues I have about the way some proponents of new church movements approach what they do in relation to people of color. &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2008/09/26/my-struggle-with-new-monasticism-gods-politics-blog/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>Here is a great blog addressing some of the issues I have about the way some proponents of new church movements approach what they do in relation to people of color. The perspective and experience of people of color is most often ignored, dismissed or trivialized. Race and racism as a shaping force in America is not acknowledged. May it is because they have no experienced the ills of personal racism up close. I don&#8217;t know ,but <strong>Chanequa Walker-Barnes</strong> hit the nail the head with here analysis. glad to know that tere is another voice adding a loving critique.</p>
<p>Thanks to my friend Joe for sending me in to the link</p>


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		<title>Sankofa racial reconciliation bus tour</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andre Daley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[          In one Thursday afternoon in August after a drive from Grand Rapids to Chicago I boarded a bus with about 40 other people and started out on my first Sankofa journey. Sankofa (looking back to move forward) is a &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2008/09/24/sankofa-racial-reconciliation-bus-tour/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo1"><img src="http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102803_4781.jpg" alt="Gathering  at North Park Univeristy to get going Thursday afternoon" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo2"><img src="http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102804_5106.jpg" alt="Getting on the bus our home for the next 72 hours" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo3"><img src="http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102805_5429.jpg" alt="First stop for breakfast Friday morning in Birmingham AL. The food was magical" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo5"><img src="http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102807_6090.jpg" alt="16th Street Church site of the infamous explosion that killed three teanage girls getting ready for Sunday School" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo6"><img src="http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102808_6428.jpg" alt="The park across fromthe church that was a staging area for may of the Birmingham marches" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo7"><img src="http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102809_6764.jpg" alt="Stained glass window designed by a s welsh artist and given to 16th St church as a memorial for the girls and it solidarity with the movement" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo8"><img src="http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102810_7098.jpg" alt="Statues of some of the leaders and participants inthe Birmingham movement" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo9"><img src="http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102811_7445.jpg" alt="Statues of some of the leaders and participants inthe Birmingham movement" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo10"><img src="http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102812_7783.jpg" alt="Statues capturing some of the events that happened around the part" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo11"><img src="http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102813_8128.jpg" alt="Mural at Edmond Pettis Bridge" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo12"><img src="http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102814_8477.jpg" alt="Bronze plaques recognizing the leaders of the March acroos the Edmond Pettis bidge in Selma AL" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=1#photo13"><img src="http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102815_8831.jpg" alt="Our group walking across the bridge" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo14"><img src="http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102816_9190.jpg" alt="Me onthe other side of bridge Friday" /></a><a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo20"><img src="http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102822_1317.jpg" alt="Me and my partner Blaine in front of the museum" /></a><a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo21"><img src="http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102823_1694.jpg" alt="Beale street Memphis TN. saturday evening" /></a></p>
<p><a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo16"><img src="http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102818_9894.jpg" alt="The Lorriane Motel site of Dr King's assasination Memphis TN Saturday morning" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo17"><img src="http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102819_250.jpg" alt="Walking to the National Civil Rights Musuem Memphis TN" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo18"><img src="http://photos-e.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102820_604.jpg" alt="restaged Loraine Hotel as it was when Dr. King was killed" /></a> <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo19"><img src="http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102821_959.jpg" alt="A new wing of  the National Civil Rghts Museum located in the site of the boarding house where the shot is supposed to have been fired" /></a>   <a class="fb-photo" href="http://www.emergingmosaic.com/photos/sankofa/?album_p=2#photo22"><img src="http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v298/57/99/1134906209/s1134906209_102824_2062.jpg" alt="Returning to North Park Sunday afternoon" /></a> </p>
<p>In one Thursday afternoon in August after a drive from Grand Rapids to Chicago I boarded a bus with about 40 other people and started out on my first Sankofa journey. Sankofa (looking back to move forward) is a bus tour of several civil rights sites and a process of conversation and reflection about racial reconciliation. It is conducted by the compassion, mercy and justice ministry of the Evangelical Covenant Church.</p>
<p>We visited sites in Birmingham and Selma Alabama, Jackson Mississippi, and Memphis Tennessee. On the way we watched videos dealing with racial tension and reconciliation. Movies like Crash and Remember the Titans, Race the Power of Illusion and the Color of Fear. After each viewing or site visit we were asked to reflection on what we saw or experienced with a partner who was from another racial ethnic group.</p>
<p>I have to say I was skeptical and ambivalent at first. I have done Cross roads anti-racism training and Cognitive Toolbox diversity training so I wasn&#8217;t sure what would learn. However these were sites in the south that I had never been to and would probably not go to alone since my first and only visit to the deep south was kinds of scary. So I decided to make the trip after being asked. I&#8217;m glad I did.</p>
<p>Our host/facilitators Chrissy, Debbie and Mona put together a powerful experience. The 72 bus ride made me feel as if I was one of freedom riders as we went from site to site seeing the critical places and experiences that shaped the civil rights movement. They asked the right questions and created the right moments to get the participants really thinking.</p>
<p>So some observations from my experience.</p>
<ul>
<li>Some white Christians still don&#8217;t grasp the impact of racism and white privilege in American society and the church</li>
<li>Some people including me aren&#8217;t fully aware of this nations civil rights history. This is important for me to understand as I&#8217;m not African American having been born in Jamaica if I expect to work with African Americans in ministry.</li>
<li>Some white Christians don&#8217;t appreciate the the ongoing complicity of the church in perpetuating intolerance and racism.</li>
<li>There is still a fair amount of paternalism among white Christians in response to race and racial reconciliation.</li>
<li>If someone is open and willing to suspend their preconceptions and entertain the ideas of others much progress in the dialog can be made.</li>
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		<title>why race matters VI &#8211; look who&#8217;s talking about race</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently person whose  church hired an African American pastor to &#8221;help&#8221; them reach out to diverse community was distressed to learn that the pastor was frustrated by the lack of awareness in the mostly white church about what was happening in Jena. There was a &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2007/10/30/why-race-matters-vi-look-whos-talking-about-race/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently person whose  church hired an African American pastor to &#8221;help&#8221; them reach out to diverse community was distressed to learn that the pastor was frustrated by the lack of awareness in the mostly white church about what was happening in Jena. There was a a real question as to how to get the members of this church to become more racially sensitive. It was as if the church had done it duty by hiring a black pastor now it was the pastor job to get those folks to church.</p>
<p>This situation is another example of why I think that racism and racial reconciliation needs to be a front burner conversation for every church and every Christian, Though few churches are talking about the problem of race in America there are a few Christians who are beginning to take the risk.</p>
<p><a href="http://filemanager.silaspartners.com/dox/9marks/9news/sept-oct07ejournal.pdf" target="_blank">9 marks ejournal</a> the starts by asking some BIG questions</p>
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<p align="left">Let me ask my fellow white readers a question: do you think of yourself as &#8220;white&#8221;? If not, may I suggest that you are racially insensitive?</p>
<p align="left">Now a question for any African American readers: to what extent does &#8220;blackness&#8221; define the way you think of yourself? To whatever extent it does, may I suggest that your thinking is impeding reconciliation?</p>
<p align="left">And a question for any Asian or Hispanic readers: to what extent does race shape your identity? If it doesn&#8217;t, is that because of acculturation, assimilation, or alienation?</p>
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<p align="left"><em>To some degree the questions miss the point that racism is about power and privilege and race is just a construct for pursuing those things. But at least the are asking the questions.</em></p>
<p align="left"> Here are responses form some  <a href="http://9marks.org/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID314526%7CCHID598014%7CCIID2359812,00.html" target="_blank">pastors and theologians</a></p>
<p align="left">Ed Stetzer author of Planting New Churches in a Post modern age chimes in his <a href="http://blogs.lifeway.com/blog/edstetzer/2007/09/racism_in_9_marks_1.html" target="_blank">blog</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>We found that race matters in scripture. Even though few Anglo churches seem to notice, Scripture frequently demonstrates God’s concern for race and ethnicity.</p>
<p>Luke illustrates the coming of the Spirit with diverse expressions of tongues (Acts 2), even identifying the languages being spoken. And a glimpse of eternity in Revelation shows that men and women from every tongue, tribe, and nation make up the choir of eternal praise (<a class="biblija_link" href="http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?id32=1&amp;pos=0&amp;set=5&amp;m=Rev+7%3A9">&#82;&#101;&#118;&#46;&#32;&#55;&#58;&#57;</a>). If the writers of Scripture take notice of ethnicity, so should we.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here are some responses to  his  post from people who I assume are Christ followers</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Could someone please define &#8220;racism&#8221; and &#8220;diversity&#8221; for me?</em></p>
<p><em>Maybe I live in a bubble, but I do not see the race problem. I am 27, and attend a predominantly white church</em></p>
<p>Maybe we do decide to change our worship style, dress, etc. Maybe we allow our minority church members to help plan so we have a style that reflects the diversity in our community. Maybe we intentionally plant gospel preaching churches in unreached areas in our community with ethnic and racial segments that are not being reached.</p>
<p>I have formed a long range partnership with a small African American church in a community that needs help. We are constantly partnering with that church and a nearby community center to minister to the people in that community.</p></blockquote>
<p>It ranges from the ridiculous to the same ole same ole white hero on riding in to save those &#8220;black&#8221; folks. This is why race matters in this conversation about what the church is to be do and become.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK everywhere you look it seems there are nooses being hung. First Jena then a long Island police station, then the door of a Columbia university professor. Note that two of these are in the north where it is suggested racism is long gone.  SO why aren&#8217;t more Christians talking it about. I don&#8217;t know but I know the church can&#8217;t be the church until we deal with this uniquely American sin.<span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;"><span style="font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;"> </span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While browsing I came across an interesting story it reflects an ongoing lack of understanding among about race and racism that I have most recently experienced with some Christian folks I&#8217;ve been meeting with. Here&#8217;s a quote Hey, black guy &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/06/22/why-race-matters/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While browsing I came across an interesting story it reflects an ongoing lack of understanding among about race and racism that I have most recently experienced with some Christian folks I&#8217;ve been meeting with. Here&#8217;s a quote</p>
<blockquote style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir="ltr"><p>Hey, black guy at Home Depot wearing a do-rag and cornrows, I am not racist, I am just easily distracted and not good with faces.&#8221;</p>
<p>read the whole story here: <a href="http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/show.php?ItemID=2813#comments">the adventures of a boy and his computer &#8211; Guilt</a></p></blockquote>
<p dir="ltr">There is such hesitation to deal with the fact that people are racist. I don&#8217;t have to be burning crosses to express racist tendencies. It flows out of deep seated perspective on the world and people of color that surface when we are in our comfort zones. Maybe that is why we tend toward dog and pony shows of like diverse worship gatherings to show that we aren&#8217;t racist. This despite the work of Emerson &amp; Smith (<a title="View product details at Amazon" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=christiancompu00%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0195147073%2526tag=christiancompu00%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0195147073%25253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82">Divided by Faith </a>) saying that just doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This is why race and racial reconciliation matters! you think?</p>


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		<title>Frightened Black Family Flees Pomo Church</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andre Daley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[While browsing over the Christianity/emerging church category over at wordpress.com I came across this &#34;gem&#34;. &#160;Thanks to Fajita blog for the lead No suits, no ties, no Sunday shoes. I told one of the ushers that he needed to show &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/06/14/frightened-black-family-flees-pomo-church/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While browsing over the Christianity/emerging church category over at wordpress.com I came across this &quot;gem&quot;. <img title="Undecided" height="18" alt="Undecided" width="18" src="http://www.andredaley.com/wp-content/plugins/editormonkey/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-undecided.gif" />&nbsp;Thanks to <a href="http://fajita.wordpress.com/">Fajita blog</a> for the lead</p>
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<p>No suits, no ties, no Sunday shoes. I told one of the ushers that he needed to show more respect in the Lord&#8217;s house. That this was a church, not the mall. Then he sassed me. Talked about how he wasn&#8217;t &#8216;at church, he is the church&#8217;. I was like, &#8216;Oh, okay. I must have mistaken that steeple on your head for a plastic mesh trucker cap, Cooter.&#8217; Lord forgive me.&quot;</p>
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<p>Despite their <a href="http://www.holyobserver.com/detail.php?sec=main&amp;page=disclaimer">disclaimer</a>&nbsp;I there is a <em>real</em> disconnect in terms of what <strong><em>some</em> </strong>black and white folks consider to be church. I&#8217;ve seen it in our own church. So is this connecting with anyone in the African American community. Is there another path or should we all just chug the&nbsp;koolaid from one camp or the other?</p>
<p>go read the whole article <a href="http://www.holyobserver.com/detail.php?isu=v01i08&amp;art=black">The Holy Observer: Frightened Black Family Flees Pomo Church</a></p>


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		<title>Telling the story &#8211; Wise words from Tony Campolo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andre Daley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an article on On Evangelicals and Interfaith Cooperation, an interview with Tony Campolo makes this statement that I think is relevant to the spiritual practice of (racial) reconciliation I suggested in my post emergent thread. TC: Rather than making &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/03/27/telling-the-story-wise-words-from-tony-campolo/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an article on <a href="http://www.crosscurrents.org/CompoloSpring2005.htm">On Evangelicals and Interfaith Cooperation, an interview with Tony Campolo</a> makes this statement that I think is relevant to the spiritual practice of (racial) reconciliation I suggested in my post emergent thread.</p>
<p><span class="font10">TC: Rather than making theological statements, we need to tell each other our stories. Jesus would tell stories and then say, &quot;what do you make of this story?&quot; One more story.</span></p>
<p><span class="font10">I believe&nbsp;the being of reconciliation of any kind (but especially racial reconciliation) is when we&nbsp; can safely tell our story. </span></p>
<p><span class="font10">What&#8217;s your story?</span></p>


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		<description><![CDATA[At&#160;the risk of becoming what I have critiqued I think I ought to suggest what can happen beyond the talk about post emergent.&#160;A speech by Dr. King Where do we go from here: Chaos or community? that later became a &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/03/04/post-emergent-where-do-we-go-from-here-chaos-or-community-inclusion-and-embrace/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At&nbsp;the risk of becoming what I have critiqued I think I ought to suggest what can happen beyond the talk about post emergent.&nbsp;A speech by Dr. King <a title="View product details at Amazon" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=christiancompu00%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0807005711%2526tag=christiancompu00%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0807005711%25253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82">Where do we go from here: Chaos or community?</a> that later became a book has formed a good starting point. The question of whether the conversation dissolves&nbsp;into chaos driven by&nbsp;<a href="http://thecomplexchrist.typepad.com/the_complex_christ/2006/01/neophilia_3_chr.html">neophilia</a> (as <em>&quot;The project, the vision, the great new thing collapses.&quot;)</em> or moves to a new place of community driven by the practice of reconciliation is at&nbsp;the core of any next steps. Here&#8217;s Dr. King&#8217;s which is insight still relevant today.</p>
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<p>One of the great problems that the Negro confronts is his lack of power. Now, power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political, and economic change.</p>
<p>You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites, polar opposites, so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love.</p>
<p>Let us be dissatisfied until America will no longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds.</p>
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<p>How do people of color achieve purpose in the emerging church conversation? Is the conversation anemic in limitation of speaking the language of love without addressing the realities of power? Are we so satisfied with the&nbsp; recapturing of the historic creeds&nbsp;that we not sought to live them as deeds?</p>
<p>I humbly suggest that the way forward is not only to ask the question&nbsp;<a title="View product details at Amazon" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=christiancompu00%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0687002826%2526tag=christiancompu00%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0687002826%25253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82">Exclusion and Embrace?&nbsp;</a> as Volf appropriately does. But to&nbsp;move toward <em>inclusion and embrace</em>. By this I mean that for the&nbsp;emerging church conversation to forward it must do more than include people of color and those outside the dominant culture in teh conversation. It should&nbsp;embrace our world view and theology as equally valid in the conversation and not a secondary thought.</p>
<p>&nbsp;Some ways this can be&nbsp;expressed concretely follow.</p>
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<li>Pursue a generous orthopraxis alongside the generous orthodoxy already being pursued. One should not be separated from the other it s a both and not either or.)</li>
<li>Include more of the issues of people on the social margins in the conversation.</li>
<li>Listen more to&nbsp;the voices&nbsp; speaking for those on the social margins and outside the dominant culture.</li>
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<p>What ideas do you have for the way forward?</p>


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><font size="2">I&#8217;ve been asking myself this question for&nbsp; a while now. </font><font size="2"><a href="http://www.calvin.edu/january/"><font size="2">Steve argue</font></a><font size="2">&nbsp;posted his</font> impressions&nbsp;of Randall Jelks talk at Calvin College&#8217;s January series prompted these thoughts. </font></p>
<p><font size="2">He quotes Jelks </font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><img height="96" alt="Randall Jelks" src="http://www.andredaley.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/02/jelks.thumbnail.jpg" width="77" align="left" />I am not free if my sister is not free.<br />
</font><font size="2">I am not free if my brother is not free.<br />
I am not free if my neighbor is not free</font></p>
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<p><font size="2">I&#8217;ll borrow a page from that Jelks&#8217; book <a title="View product details at Amazon" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=christiancompu00%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0252030400%2526tag=christiancompu00%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0252030400%25253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82">African Americans in the Furniture City: The Struggle for Civil Rights in Grand Rapids</a> and say this;</font></p>
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<li><font size="2">the emerging church cannot emerge if it doesn&#8217;t see confronting the issue of racism and racial reconciliation as an central to its mission.</font></li>
<li><font size="2">the emerging church cannot emerge until it engages God&#8217;s mandate to &quot;practice Pentecost&quot; (see <a href="http://postmodernegro.wordpress.com/">Anthony Smith</a>)</font></li>
<li><font size="2">the emerging church cannot emerge until it is&nbsp;actively pursuing&nbsp;the spiritual practice racial reconciliation.<br />
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<h5>racial reconciliation as missional value</h5>
<p><font size="2">One of the values of the emerging church ( as posited by emergent) is to practice the way of <a href="http://www.emergentvillage.com/Site/Belong/Order/index.htm">Jesus</a>.</font><font size="2">&nbsp;Jesus started his ministry with&nbsp;a declaration of his mission to bring justice and relief from oppression.(<a class="biblija_link" href="http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?id32=1&amp;pos=0&amp;set=5&amp;m=Luke+4%3A18-19">&#76;&#117;&#107;&#101;&#32;&#52;&#58;&#49;&#56;&#45;&#49;&#57;</a>). He called on God&#8217;s&nbsp;on people to recognize this missional value and act on it. <font size="2">The first act of God&#8217;s spirit in and through the early church was to bring reconciliation to God and among the races at Pentecost where people from different&nbsp;people groups were able to hear the good news. One of the first acts of evangelism flowed through and act of reconciliation. So many&nbsp;of&nbsp;the missional values&nbsp;of the emerging church conversation, speaking through to power, seeing to the needs of the poor, and embracing inclusion can be significantly addressed through the spiritual practice of&nbsp;(racial) reconciliation.</font></font></p>
<h5>racial reconciliation as biblical imperative</h5>
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<p><font size="2">At the National Prayer breakfast Bono quoted Isaiah 58 among other passes in the Bible as a rallying point for Jesus followers to act to address the racial and social injustices present in our world. Here&#8217;s a bit from what he quoted.</font></p>
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<p>Tell my people what&#8217;s wrong with their lives, face my family Jacob with their sins!<br />
2&nbsp;They&#8217;re busy, busy, busy at worship, and love studying all about me&#8230;.</p>
<p>Do you call <em>that</em> fasting, a fast day that I, God, would like? <font size="2">6</font>&nbsp;&quot;This is the kind of fast day I&#8217;m after: to break the chains of injustice, get rid of exploitation in the workplace, free the oppressed, cancel debts. <font size="2">7</font>&nbsp;What I&#8217;m interested in seeing you do is: sharing your food with the hungry, inviting the homeless poor into your homes, putting clothes on the shivering ill-clad, being available to your own families. <font size="2">8</font>&nbsp;Do this and the lights will turn on, and your lives will turn around at once. Message</p>
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<p><font size="2">There is a biblical imperative to act on what we know even if we don&#8217;t know it all or know it all absolutely.&nbsp;</font><font size="2">So what do we know?&nbsp;&nbsp;</font><font size="2">Every study and statistics should that the greatest single determining factor for poverty, and powerlessness in the U.S. is race. Yet I still hear Anglo people in and around the emerging church conversation saying things like &quot;There are some black people (like Colin Powell and Condeleeza Rice) who have more power and privilege than I do.&quot; This kind of statement exhibits an incredible lack of awareness of what Brian Mclaren calls the the <a href="http://www.odeo.com/audio/321776/view">post colonial story</a>. It does not recognize the fact that any power or privilege these &quot;blacks with&nbsp;privilege&quot; have is given to them. It misses the reality that&nbsp;power and privilege implicit right&nbsp;of all but the poorest of the poor&nbsp;Anglos, those who are stuck in poverty like their black counterparts.</font></p>
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<p>This&nbsp;makes me think that the emerging church will really begin to emerge when <strong>we</strong> act on the patterns of Jesus and <strong>we</strong> &quot;do life together&quot; in a ways that gives social justice, inclusion&nbsp;and praxis as much play as theology &amp;&nbsp;epistemology.</p>
<h5>racial reconciliation as spiritual practice</h5>
<p><font size="2">I&#8217;m not judging the emerging church, emergent or anyone connected with it. But I do yearn for something more from the emerging church. I think as a community we need to pursue racial reconciliation as spiritual practice. To quote Thurman</font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span class="body"><em>Community cannot for long feed on itself; it can only flourish with the coming of others from beyond, their unknown and undiscovered brothers. </em><a href="http://www.quakerhillbooks.org/cgi-bin/qhb.cgi/product_details?product_id=219">The Search for Common Ground</a></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span class="body">We can start by broadening the theological framework to include non European theological contributions. We can pursue intentional trans racial relationships in the conversation. We can&nbsp;organize emerging church events which focus and providing opportunities for these kinds of relationship to develop. We can listen not defensively but humbly to each other stories paying close attention to the post-colonial story. We need to act not talk just about inclusion.Then we might emerge into the image painted in this poem.</span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span class="body"><em>If I knew you&nbsp; and you knew me,<br />
And of each of us could clearly see<br />
By the inner light divine,<br />
The meaning of your life and mine,<br />
I am sure that we would differ less,<br />
And clasp our hands in&nbsp; friendliness<br />
If I knew you and you knew me</em></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2"><span class="body"><em>At Church Next Sunday (author unknown)</em></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2">Its like this &quot;<em>no praxis no peace.</em>&quot; If we don&#8217;t have a generous orthopraxis then we can really have peace in the church, emerging or not. </font></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maurice Broaddus&#160;has been continuing the conversation about my post emergent post cross pollinating on his message board. There have been some interesting thoughts added to the conversation. Thought I&#8217;d post some and my responses here. Dark-skinned theologians???&#8230;wait&#8230;but&#8230;but&#8230;.isn&#8217;t Jesus that pale-white, &#8230; <a href="http://www.postreligiouschristian.com/2006/02/21/post-emergent-conversation-continues/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mauricebroaddus.com/blog.htm">Maurice Broaddus</a>&nbsp;has been continuing the conversation about my post emergent post cross pollinating on his <a href="http://mauricebroaddus.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=release&amp;action=display&amp;thread=1140030915&amp;page=1#1140030915">message board</a>. There have been some interesting thoughts added to the conversation. Thought I&#8217;d post some and my responses here.</p>
<blockquote><p>Dark-skinned theologians???&#8230;wait&#8230;but&#8230;but&#8230;.isn&#8217;t Jesus that pale-white, blue-eyed guy with the shag haircut from the seventies?<br /> Laura&nbsp;</p>
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<blockquote><p>post-emergent. Is that like post-post modern?</p>
<p> Yeah, I&#8217;m kinda on the fence with this one as well. I&#8217;ve noticed the all-talk-no-action mentality, and the &quot;we&#8217;re here to please everybody&quot; kinda mentality, and the fad-ish mentality&#8230; the &quot;we like this because it&#8217;s new&quot;. I&#8217;ve also noticed that a lot of the emergent movement has been born out of the church-burned, which, you know what? If you got burned by a church and you want to go on and do church differently, as long as you&#8217;re not contradicting the life and words of Christ, you have at it! It&#8217;s better than turning your back on God because of what&#8217;s happened to you. An awful lot of the emergent movement is simply an accepting that we&#8217;re stumbling and bumbling through this walk and we don&#8217;t always get it right. We haven&#8217;t gotten it right and we still won&#8217;t get it right, but we&#8217;ll at least try to do better than we have.</p>
<p> So I don&#8217;t have big qualms with the movement as a whole&#8230; it&#8217;d be difficult too, as it&#8217;s a little bit nebulous for that. I do have issues with a couple of people that I&#8217;ve met who call themselves &quot;emergent Christian&quot; who are really just trying to reconcile their beliefs with what they really would RATHER being doing. But the movement as a whole? No big issues.</p>
<p> ~Crystal</p>
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<blockquote><p>I fail to see how terms such as &quot;white, male and academic&quot; are significant here unless Andre places more importance on race, sex, and IQ than the <em>content </em>of the conversation.</p>
<p>Reading NT Wright and using emergent-speak does seem to be a pre-requisite to credibility with the leaders of emergent. They don&#8217;t seem to value ideals or counterpoints of those who don&#8217;t share their lingo. However, the initial statement has nothing to do with &quot;White Europeans&quot; or their &quot;theological framework&quot;. To insinuate that is racist. Language is not a product of skin color.</p>
<p> Diversity is at the core of emergent. Diversity in theology, practice, etc. But <em>racial </em>diversity is something I dismiss as outright racism. As if a person&#8217;s skin color, hair color, or eye color makes them special. It&#8217;s not our differences that bind us together, but our similarities. As long as we continue to make our differences the focal point of our relationships, we&#8217;ll never function together as one body. I propose we abandon &quot;diversity&quot; speak and learn to work together for a common purpose without regard to race, ethnicity, or nationality.</p>
<p> green19</p>
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<p>Pointing out the skin color over and above the topic of &amp;quot;the conversation&amp;quot; goes beyond identifying the group.&nbsp; It assumes that because of the color of their skin, or racial heritage,&nbsp; their product will somehow be less than useful for anyone else.&nbsp; It also assumes an inherent bias toward non-whites by anyone involved in the conversation.&nbsp; This is pre-judging without sufficient evidence.&nbsp;</p>
<p>If I said that the NBA is 99% black therefore I&#8217;ll not watch the NBA nor have anything to do with it, I would be labeled a racist outright.&nbsp; The same logic should be applied to your statement.</p>
<p>Additionally, the bible was written by non-blacks.&nbsp; By the same logic the bible is not useful or meaningfully to people of african heritage or black skin.&nbsp; Therefore no black or african-american should subscribe to any bible-believing religion.</p>
<p> The issue of &amp;quot;diversity&amp;quot; as it is used in politics is hardly cherry picking.&nbsp; It is a morbid failure that should be obvious to any critical thinker without a political agenda.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rest of your statement lacks merit.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need black men in &amp;quot;the conversation&amp;quot; we need godly men.&nbsp; We don&#8217;t need representation of all races, ethnic groups, or nations, in the conversation, we need godly people.&nbsp; (On an unrelated topic, we need the views of the ungodly as well).&nbsp; To suggest that because the majority of emergent is white, therefore you don&#8217;t have a voice, is just plain silly.&nbsp; You and I are talking, there&#8217;s your voice.&nbsp; What, do you want to talk to Tony Jones or Mclaren?&nbsp; Guess what, I&#8217;m white and they don&#8217;t bother talking to me.&nbsp;&nbsp; (I don&#8217;t read NT Wright, and I&#8217;m a horrible writer.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t blame them for not hunting me down and featuring me in their latest book).&nbsp; You&#8217;re already IN the conversation, we just don&#8217;t agree.&nbsp; I could care less that you&#8217;re black.&nbsp; I could care less that I&#8217;m white.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t wear my culture on my sleeve.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t give a *expletive* about my heritage. My identity isn&#8217;t as important as the identity of &amp;quot;the body&amp;quot;.</p>
<p>You want to know my personal rant?&nbsp; &amp;quot;Get rid of the&nbsp;*expletive* racist *expletive*&nbsp; and we&#8217;ll be able to see each other as people instead of skin&amp;quot;. Problem solved. (and maurice calls me an idealist pfffttt)</p>
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<p>Green: Your posts are wonderfully idealistic and I am grateful for that. However I just don&#8217;t see that as the reality. Maybe I&#8217;ve been in this conversation too long and become to cynical.</p>
<p>Let me clarify what I&#8217;m saying. I&#8217;m not using diversity in they way it is used in politics, I&#8217;m using the way it is expressed in scripture. Jesus great commission is to go make Jesus followers of every people group. So if a people group (race or culture) is missing from the conversation are we being true to that calling? Are we really emerging into a new kind of church/christian?<br /> Reading the emergent order as posted on emergent village there is a stated commitment to diversity beyond theology and practice.</p>
<p>[b]&quot;To build friendships across racial, ethnic, economic and other boundaries&quot;[/b]</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not inserting anything that isn&#8217;t already there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not making race the only issue. What I am saying is by virtue of the participants the&nbsp; conversation undeniably takes on a particular tone and perspective. That&#8217;s true of any conversation. Beyond that, I am suggesting this; if the conversation can&#8217;t be enriched by having people outside of the dominant culture participate, then at least those folks should take time to look at the theological contributions of some folks outside the dominant culture to enrich the conversation.</p>
<p>maybe I&#8217;m wrong but the world isn&#8217;t color (culture) blind. Race may be a social construct and a horribly destructive one at that but to just say it doesn&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t factor into our understanding of the cultural context in church the church is emerging creates a huge blind spot (pun intended). Frankly I don&#8217;t want it to be color (culture) blind I want the conversation to be color (culture) rich.</p>
<p>You have the ability to say race doesn&#8217;t matter to you because you are white. In order to understand the problem or race and why I think racial reconciliation has to be a part of the emerging church conversation you will need to broaden your understanding or race and racism. There are elements of white privilege and power that you may not be aware of at work that make you way of thinking though wonderfully idealistic somewhat disconnected from the reality of those around you who aren&#8217;t white and aren&#8217;t interested in ignoring our heritage (or have the luxury of doing so). This is why I believe Brian McLaren has said we need to revisit the post-colonial story.</p>
<p>I am enjoying hearing your thoughts its adds to my perspective.</p>
<p>Andre</p>


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